5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

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5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby Ganaud » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:13 pm

1. Can you explain: "When a character scores a result of Duck Back and Return Fire, it cannot Return Fire (p25)

The previous rule says "if called on to return fire from the shooting table, it can."

2. If a character shoots and target returns fire, and gets a return fire result, does the active character return fire? So this can go on and on?
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby THW » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:26 pm

Ganaud wrote:1. Can you explain: "When a character scores a result of Duck Back and Return Fire, it cannot Return Fire (p25) Correct.

The previous rule says "if called on to return fire from the shooting table, it can." Correct, but you must always take one result, the worse result just like taking damage - so Duck Back.

2. If a character shoots and target returns fire, and gets a return fire result, does the active character return fire? So this can go on and on? In theory, but not going to happen too often. Can it? Of course, but you will find that returning fire isn't as common as you would think, especially playing with Rep 5 and Rep 4. In reality, if you are in a gunfight and not hitting someone or being hit, you keep shooting. Shooting is very dangerous in Star Marine.
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby Ganaud » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:39 pm

1. So if the Duck Backed character is shot at, and it indicates he would duck back, then he cannot return fire. But if it indicates he would return fire, then he returns fire. Is that right?

2. Got it.

3. It seems like firing more than one shot is very dangerous to the firer since it can so often provoke return fire. Like, if you fire 3 or 4 shots, chances are the return fire is going to take you OOF or OD. The first two defenders in round 1 got knocked OOF this way, so my attackers chose to fire single shots, particularly because their Rep was higher. This seemed to pay off.
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby THW » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:52 pm

Ganaud wrote:1. So if the Duck Backed character is shot at, and it indicates he would duck back, then he cannot return fire. Correct. But if it indicates he would return fire, then he returns fire. Is that right? Correct, But let's say he's fired at by two people - remember you have to target all figures before firing. Can't shoot and see what happens, then target the next guy, etc. So he could get both duck back and return fire - he takes the worse result - duck back.

2. Got it.

3. It seems like firing more than one shot is very dangerous to the firer since it can so often provoke return fire. Like, if you fire 3 or 4 shots, chances are the return fire is going to take you OOF or OD. The first two defenders in round 1 got knocked OOF this way, so my attackers chose to fire single shots, particularly because their Rep was higher. This seemed to pay off. Very smart observation. We had this happens yesterday in fact.
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby Ganaud » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:44 am

Arg, meant "Star", mobiles, feel free to correct
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby THW » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:53 pm

Ganaud wrote:Arg, meant "Star", mobiles, feel free to correct

If you're talking about Return Fire and Duck Back with a Star, they still suffer the results like Grunts.
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby Ganaud » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:40 am

4. After the first gunfight, the Marines had put all the defenders out of the fight or obviously dead. However, because it was the end of an action, they still had to make a Will To Fight check. They passed one die, meaning 2 Marines had to retreat--even though they'd killed all the enemy. Is this how that is supposed to play out? Like they were terrified by the violence and can't keep going?
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Re: 5150: State Marine Rules clarifications

Postby THW » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:50 pm

Ganaud wrote:4. After the first gunfight, the Marines had put all the defenders out of the fight or obviously dead. However, because it was the end of an action, they still had to make a Will To Fight check. They passed one die, meaning 2 Marines had to retreat--even though they'd killed all the enemy. Is this how that is supposed to play out? Like they were terrified by the violence and can't keep going?


Correct, both can leave or one can leave even if they did well. But Stars can stay if they want or can order the whole side to leave.
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